Monero Dev Meeting Note Highlights – 2019-07-14
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dEBRUYNEGuess we can start, anyone else here? ping moneromooo, rbrunner, selsta, dsc_, vtnerd, woodser, hyc, jtgrassie, fluffypony, luigi1111, smooth
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> Yes meeting. IRC problems. Sec.
dEBRUYNEprobably forgot some people
fluffyponyhere
dEBRUYNEsarang and suraeNoether of course
moneromoooI am.
rbrunnerHere of course, where else
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> Tor rejecting my login attempts.
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> But present.
dEBRUYNErehrar, you may lead
moneromoooIf ypu have a "tor account", that was some phishing site ^_^
italocoin:))
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> moneromooo, it's my SASL. Broken for some reason. Will fix later.
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> Anyways. Greetings is done.
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> So 2. What's been completed since previous meeting.
jtgrassiewoodser: inc/exc PR moneromooo mentioned https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/5598
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> Anyone have an update? CLI stuff? GUI stuff?
dsc_This week ill work closely with Selsta on things concerning GUI
moneromoooMore work on share-rpc. More work on banning subnets. Mostly.
rbrunnerI had a little success today, with making Windows GUI installer builds reproducible, with several people confirming the same hash: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/cd0snl/help_test_reproducible_windows_gui_installer/
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> dsc_ as opposed to other weeks when you don't work closely with selsta on things concerning GUI?
dEBRUYNETo add to the GUI, dsc_ opened a few pull request to improve Tails support
italocoindsc_ i've tested GUI and works well, any known bugs?
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> rbrunner what's the time frame you want for that? I can put it in the next Revuo as a volunteer opportunity, but they come out on Thursdays.
dEBRUYNExiphon made a pull request to properly store the integrated address (previously it was stored as plain address + short encrypted payment ID)
rbrunnerNot sure what you mean about volunteers. I think confirmation is already here, see the posts in that thread
dsc_italocoin: There are always some bugs but must say latest release was a solid one. For problems best to visit our issue tracker.
dsc_rehrar: Yes, exactly
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> rbrunner, noted. Thanks for the info.
italocoindsc_ one thing that i think we should worok on, is that when you send yourself a payment, it should be a small note there that was sent to yourself, if not you get sent 0
dsc_italocoin: this has been reported by kico earlier, I believe
italocointhat confuses some people
italocoinOh kk
rbrunnerI think the CLI does the same
italocointrue
rbrunneralso a little confusing, at least at first
moneromoooIt is impossible to distinguish change from non change, so if you rescan, the amount would change.
italocoinfor regular people it is confusing for sure, my idea would be just to add a note that was sent to yourself and just show the fee or someting like that
moneromoooThough… stoffu made some change to the derivations when he introduced subaddresses, and it might be that they can be distinguished nowadays…
italocoinmoneromooo: if its sent to subaddress i think you are right, but if the wallet gets rescaned or created again, the 0 its unavoidable i think
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> Alright nothing else?
xmrmatterbridge<rehrar> Oops. Stupid delay.
rehrarfrom the ashes I rise
rehrarok, next topic
fluffyponyrelease?
moneromoooOh yes please
rehrarsure
rehrarfluffypony: take it away?
moneromoooAre you still waiting on the bsd patch, or can that be left out for now ?
fluffyponyI mean, it would be advantageous to have it
fluffyponybut if it's going to take more than a few days let's just leave it
moneromoooIIRC TheCharlatan said it was a non trivial amount of work.
moneromoooDunno how far it is though.
fluffyponyok maybe he comments in the next 24 hours
rbrunner"Release" would be already 0.14.1.1 then?
fluffyponyyes
fluffyponywould the GUI need a point release too?
dsc_Don't think so. Selsta: ping
selstayes
dsc_yes?
selstaI mean yes GUI would need a point release too.
selstaWe embed the daemon so all the bugs that get fixed on CLI side effects us too.
rehrarOk, anything else you want for the discussion on the point release fluffypony?
dsc_Ah ok, I was more thinking about any death threatening GUI bugs.
fluffyponymoneromooo: what merges are you waiting for?
moneromoooI think they're all merged by luigi1111w now. The one I had been thinking about was 5363, but given I've just had to rewrite a fair bit of it, I think I'll leave it.
moneromoooSo from my side, we have all we need.
fluffyponyok so just version bump?
moneromoooAnd maybe some more hashes (with a bit more slack than last time maybe).
fluffyponykk
rehrarIs it possible for us to discuss the October fork?
fluffyponyshould we set a threshold?
rehrarJust like, prelim stuff
fluffyponyfor hashes I mean
moneromoooLast time was a day IIRC, that seemed little to me.
moneromoooI suppose we should not see a day's reorg but still
fluffyponyok let's say 48 hours from the time of the commit
fluffyponythat gives us a buffer coz it still needs to be built by a bunch of people etc
moneromoooOK.
rehrargucci?
dEBRUYNEI guess once fluffypony sets the 0.14.1.1 tag, people can already start their determinisitc build processes and publish the hashes
moneromoooversace.
dEBRUYNEThe more results the better
fluffyponyyes
fluffyponybalenciaga
dsc_louie
dsc_-e +s
moneromoooTo be clear, I was talking about the embedded block hashes, not gitian hashes.
rehrarIf so,
dEBRUYNEmoneromooo: Yes, my comment was unrelated to that, should have clarified that
rehrarDo we have a rough estimate for when "code freeze" is for this upcoming fork?
rehraralso, I don't know if hyc is around, but with the glowing reviews of RandomX, it's looking almost positive that it's going in, yeah?
rehrarone more to go in regards to audits
dEBRUYNENot sure about code freeze, but the general idea was to publish binaries way in advance of the fork right (e.g. 4-6 weeks)
dEBRUYNEAs the consensus changes are soon ready and we don't have to perform last minute tweaks
rehrarand sarang hasn't mentioned anything about CLSAG audits, right?
rehrarmost definitely going in the fork after this one
dEBRUYNEYeah October seems too short for CLSAG
rehraralright, if no other comments, are there any other meeting items?
moneromoooI've had people reviewing share-rpc (thanks vtnerd and stoffu), please feel free anyone else ^_^
dEBRUYNEI kind of wanted to ask everyone's opinion on switching to a 12 month schedule after April 2020 (so once RandomX and CLSAG are in)
dEBRUYNESo we'd essentially only have one HF each year around Monero's birthday
moneromoooWe'll only know if we have new stuff we want to add when we get to it.
sarangI am still in (slow) talks with potential auditors
sarangNobody's biting for the math review part, only implementation
sarangSo I am not expecting things will be ready for fall 2019
dEBRUYNEmoneromooo: So you'd like to retain the 6 month schedule and skip a HF if there are no consensus changes basically?
dEBRUYNEOr if they can wait
rehrarRandomX will have just been implemented for six months at that part. Is that enough time to gauge it? Becasuse if not, and we move to a year schedule, then that means we wait a full year if something meh happens.
moneromoooI find it annoying to say in advance "we'll wait that long" when we have no clue yet whether that predefined delay will be appropriate.
rbrunnerEr, that sounds a little too much theory. I don't think we would wait and not emergency-HF
rehrarit's true that it is a year away at least, so it's hard to gauge. A lot can happen in a year. But I can appreciate dEBRUYNE just putting the feelers out
moneromoooOh, anyone knows of any merchant/exchange/whatever that's switched from long payment ids recently ?
rehrarno
dEBRUYNEA bit unrelated, but I plan to contact some staff from Bitfinex, Binance, and Bittrex on Reddit to have a chat with them about switching
dEBRUYNEThose are basically the largest 'offenders'
moneromoooThanks
italocoinRandomX: is experimental, do we have reviews from outsiders?
moneromoooYes, three.
moneromoooSee hyc's "RandomxAudits" github repo.
rehrarwith a fourth on the way
italocointrustworthy?
moneromoooThat's what you decide after reading them.
rehrarit wasn't my grandma who audited the thing, if that helps
rehrareither way, I think we can call it here.
italocoinThat is great news
rehrarDiscussion may, of course, continue after the fact.
italocoinhhaha rehrar
rehrarThanks for attending the meeting everyone!
rehrarhave nice lives
Sources and notes
- Meeting log: Overview and Logs for the Dev Meeting Held on 2019-07-14, getmonero.org. The official post carried the raw log and pointed readers to Hello Monero for the overview.
- Original Hello Monero URL slug recovered from the Wayback Machine index; the original page content did not survive, so this reconstruction carries the log as archived by the Monero Project.